HPAC/ACVL

Ihor Trufyn · Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: IPPI

It's a fact that to fly XC in Germany and Austria you have to have IPPI5. You can fly unsupervised at any site with IPPI4, but you can't leave the area (or however they define XC over there).
http://www.fai.org/hang_gliding/safety/ippi/usage/austria
http://www.dhv.de/typo/fileadmin/user_upload/monatsordner/2004-06/Ausbildung/GERMANFL.pdf

To get IPPI5 (also known as Safe Pro Brown) it looks like you have to have a Master rating in Canada.

IPPI Safe Pro 5. BROWN / HPAC RATINGS 5. ADVANCED & MASTER with HAGAR Endorsement Mandatory
http://www.hpac.ca//pub/doc/ippi.html

The HPAC Master rating requirements are:

13. The HPAC/ACVL BoD will award all Master Pilot ratings.
14. Pilots seeking a Mater Rating can apply in writing to the President. In the application, the candidate must describe his/her accomplishments and contributions to the sport of hang gliding and paragliding. Alternatively, a HPAC/ACVL member can submit a nomination on behalf of a pilot.
15. An applicant for a Master’s rating must have an advanced rating and 250 hours of flight time in the activity for which the rating is sought. Upon reception of an application for a Master's rating, the BoD will rate the applicant's accomplishments against the criteria below. A score of 25 points is required to qualify a pilot for a Master’s rating.
http://www.hpac.ca/pub/?pid=91

I'm not sure why a Master rating is necessary for an IPPI5, but to get it you not only have to have an Advanced rating; you also have to fulfill some kind of community service requirement. This kind of service is admirable and certainly should be encouraged, however, we're talking about just taking a flying holiday to a foreign country here.

Should we perhaps have some kind of additional rating to satisfy IPPI5 requirements without having an HPAC Master rating? Can we negotiate with FAI or the German and Austrian associations to lessen their requirements? Most countries that I've checked only require IPPI4, or they don't even specify the rating.

Scare · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 08:15 pm Post subject:

Our insurance policy contains (or contained) an "intent to pay" clause. As soon as payment is in the hands of an HPAC representative, the payer is legally covered by our insurance policy. Allowing that rep to be any member just means that we trust that member to deliver the form and payment to us.

Note that the payment has to be made before coverage begins, or any claim is made. Payment to our member/representative. No other witnesses required, we trust our members...

Fred Wilson · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 01:14 am Post subject:

IPPI http://www.fai.org/international-pilot-rating-systems is equivalent to ADVANCED & MASTER Ratings. Not Both. Either.
Advanced is a rating. Master is an honorarium in Canada.
In other countries like the USA, a Master Rating is a recognition of pilot / mentor proficiency.
There has been talk of us changing here to a US type Master Rating some time in the future.

Scare · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 02:46 am Post subject:

Master is a rating. It has skill and experience requirements. It's called a rating too.
http://hpac.ca/?PRD=410

Mark Carter · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 08:30 am Post subject:

Scare · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 01:22 pm Post subject:

You only quoted the point that supports your idea, you missed the following one:

"15. An applicant for a Master’s rating must have an advanced rating and 250 hours of flight time in the activity for which the rating is sought. ..."

Following that there's a whole list of services, responsibilities, certifications, competitions, and/or records.

Fred Wilson · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 06:53 pm Post subject:

Scare · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:11 am Post subject:

Fred Wilson · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:28 am Post subject:

I wrote the sentence ass backwards. edited. The IPPI needs to cross reference.